[APBeta] 2.0a7 -- Hooray, it works!

Jeff Young jey at adobe.com
Tue Jun 17 08:15:08 PDT 2008 

Paul --

I think it's a good plan.  I'd leave the option off by default, but
that's a minor detail in the overall plan.

-- Jeff.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net
[mailto:apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net] On Behalf Of
> Paul Rodman
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 4:10 PM
> To: AstroPlanner Beta Testers
> Subject: Re: [APBeta] 2.0a7 -- Hooray, it works!
> 
> OK, so how about this scenario (for both Mac and Windows, except where
> noted):
> 
> 1. User double-clicks app icon, or launches it from Start menu, Dock,
> or wherever.
>     (a) No (findable) documents were open last time it quit:
>         Open an untitled plan document.
>     (b) One or more (findable) plan documents were open last time it
> quit:
>         Open those documents.
> 2. User double-clicks plan document/s to open it/them.
>     (a) App already running:
>         Open those documents (in addition to any already open).
>     (b) App not running:
>         Open the app. Load the double-clicked document/s. Forget any
> documents previously opened.
> 3. User quits from app, via File->Exit (File->Quit on Mac).
>     Any open plan documents are remembered for 1b above. App quits.
> 
> 4. User closes last plan document window in running app.
>     (a) Mac:
>         Nothing. Mac continues to display the menu bar. This is
> standard behaviour.
>     (b) Windows:
>         App quits.
>         Option (in preferences): Display the Open/Create dialog.
> 
> Assuming everyone is on-board with this, then the only decision would
> be whether to make the option in 4b on or off by default.
> 
> What I could do, is make it on by default, and have a checkbox on that
> dialog: "Don't show this dialog again. Always quit the application" to
> switch it off.
> 
> Since the Catalogue Manager no longer requires all plan documents to
> be closed, I can streamline the dialog a bit as well by removing that
> button.
> 
> Paul R.
> 
> 
> On Jun 17, 2008, at 01:53 , Jeff Young wrote:
> 
> > Paul --
> >
> > Historically it was startup time.  We probably don't need it anymore
> > (startup has vastly improved), but you know how these things live
> > on....
> >
> > -- Jeff.
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net
> > [mailto:apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net] On Behalf Of
> >> Paul Rodman
> >> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 11:36 PM
> >> To: AstroPlanner Beta Testers
> >> Subject: Re: [APBeta] 2.0a7 -- Hooray, it works!
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 16, 2008, at 15:31 , Jeff Young wrote:
> >>
> >>> Paul --
> >>>
> >>>> So, if it's a "naked" process, how do you quit from it? Or do you
> >>>> just
> >>>> leave it in memory until logoff/restart?
> >>>
> >>> Sadly, the later.   Which is one reason I don't recommend it
unless
> > it
> >>> can't be avoided.
> >>
> >> What was the reasoning? (If I might be so bold as to ask) The
startup
> >> time?
> >>
> >>> (Note: you can of course kill it in the Task Manager, but I'd
guess
> >>> most
> >>> people don't know that.)
> >>
> >> Ow. That's like suggesting that a car owner can stop his car engine
> >> by
> >> cutting the fuel line. Or something.
> >>
> >> Paul R.
> >>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net
> >>> [mailto:apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net] On Behalf Of
> >>>> Paul Rodman
> >>>> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 11:24 PM
> >>>> To: AstroPlanner Beta Testers
> >>>> Subject: Re: [APBeta] 2.0a7 -- Hooray, it works!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jun 16, 2008, at 12:51 , Jeff Young wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I'd say go ahead and quit the app if you can figure out a way to
> >>>>> handle
> >>>>> the Catalog Manager issue.
> >>>>
> >>>> That's taken care of (well, there's still a few rough edges I'm
> >>>> working on - particularly if you don't have a working Internet
> >>>> connection).
> >>>>
> >>>>> For Acrobat (and Adobe Reader) we actually leave a process
running
> >>>>> with
> >>>>> no window so that we can reconnect to it if you double-click
> > another
> >>>>> PDF.  But I'd only go that route if the app start-up time is too
> >>> slow.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, if it's a "naked" process, how do you quit from it? Or do you
> >>>> just
> >>>> leave it in memory until logoff/restart?
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul R.
> >>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net
> >>>>> [mailto:apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net] On Behalf Of
> >>>>>> Paul Rodman
> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 3:13 AM
> >>>>>> To: AstroPlanner Beta Testers
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [APBeta] 2.0a7 -- Hooray, it works!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jun 14, 2008, at 18:41 , Mark Huss wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> hi Paul,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You'll be greatly relieved to hear 'lucky 7' was the magic
> > number
> >>>>>>> here. :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No - it was fixing the bug on Friday 13th  :^)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Actually, I'm not sure why your system didn't work. However,
the
> >>>>>> workaround should handle any situation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Question: When I close the main window, the original dialog
> >>> remains
> >>>>>>> (open existing or new). Is this normal behavior?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This is now standard behaviour, since there is no longer a
"main
> >>>>>> window" enclosing everything (i.e. plan documents). So when you
> >>> close
> >>>>>> the last window you have two options: close the entire app, or
> >>> bring
> >>>>>> up that dialog in order to keep going (since there's no longer
> > any
> >>>>>> way
> >>>>>> of communicating with the windowless app. Although the startup
> > time
> >>>>>> is
> >>>>>> quite snappy, I decided to do it that way. I could just let the
> >>>>>> application quit when you close the last window.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What says everyone?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Note: Although it's probably a bit dodgy right now, I do plan
to
> >>> get
> >>>>>> it working so that you can double click a plan document to open
> > it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Paul R.
> >>>>>>
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