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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I can force this condition by pressing the ”show desktop” button
(lower right corner of the task bar) in Window 7. This happens on both the 32bit
and 64 bit versions. I have reported this but to Paul R.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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apbeta-bounces@lists.astroplanner.net
[mailto:apbeta-bounces@lists.astroplanner.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Kemp<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 29, 2010 10:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> AstroPlanner Beta Testers<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [APBeta] Slow open/close times in Win 7 64-bit<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Well,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I am having real problems with the latest beta.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>AP just disappeared on me. No icon in the taskbar but AP is
running. Cannot TAB to the application. It just sits there consistently
consuming 5 percent CPU. AP was not doing anything it was sitting there
with a blank plan, then I switched to Chrome to read this thread. AP
disappeared. On Win 7 64bit.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Screenshot attached.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Paul Kemp<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>13.1" f5 Reflector with Argo Navis & Paracorr<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Auckland, New Zealand<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>36° 55' 09" South, 174° 43' 30" East<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>--- The Southern Sentinel ---<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.southernsentinel.co.nz">www.southernsentinel.co.nz</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 1:44 PM, John Switzer <<a
href="mailto:jswitzer42@verizon.net">jswitzer42@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Paul,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><u><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Test #1</span></u><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Created a new empty plan file.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Saved it as NGCV7840#1</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Add all 7840 NGC items from the NGC
Accurate Catalogue</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Made NO changes to the plan</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Took 6 seconds to get the Save Window on
64-bit | Took 1 second to get Save Window on 32-bit</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Took 17 seconds to save and close AP on
64 bit | Took 4 seconds to save
and close AP on 32 bit</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Test #2</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Created a new empty plan file.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Saved it as NGCV7840#2</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Add all 7840 NGC items from the NGC
Accurate Catalogue</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Made the following changes to the plan</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:22.5pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>1.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> Adjusted the columns to fit the
text</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:22.5pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>2.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Sorted the plan by Constellation and RA</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Took 31 seconds to get the Save Window
on 64-bit | Took 27 second to get Save Window on 32-bit</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Took 18 seconds to save and close AP on
64-bit | Took 3 seconds
to save and close AP on 32 bit</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Note: When I close
AP, I use the X in the upper right corner of the screen to do the save
and close.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
Both the 32 bit and 64 bit Windows 7 systems have roughly the same hardware
specifications.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>John</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="mailto:apbeta-bounces@lists.astroplanner.net" target="_blank">apbeta-bounces@lists.astroplanner.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:apbeta-bounces@lists.astroplanner.net" target="_blank">apbeta-bounces@lists.astroplanner.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Rodman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 29, 2010 8:02 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><br>
<b>To:</b> AstroPlanner Beta Testers<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [APBeta] Slow open/close times in Win 7 64-bit<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On
Aug 29, 2010, at 2:45 PM, John Switzer wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I am seeing a several second delay
(sometimes up to 10 seconds) anytime a plan file is closed. Opening a
plan appears to have improved drastically during the last few beta
releases. When closing a plan, the “closing document” window opens up
immediately and then it takes several seconds before the “save changes”
window opens. This happens only on the 64-bit system (Home
Premium). The 32 bit system is almost instantaneous. During
the wait for the “save changes” window to appear, the disk I/O flashes
continuously. This is true even for a newly created plan with nothing in
it. To do the comparison, I installed AP on Win 7 32-bit and copied all
plans, preferences, etc from the 64-bit system to the 32 bit system.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>How
big is your plan document file on disk? When you open it, a copy of it is made
to the temporary folder. When you close it, data are written to the temporary
copy and if any changes are noted, the Save Changes dialog is put up. If you
elect to save changes the temporary copy then overwrites the "real"
document.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This
is not the most elegant method of doing things, and is a legacy of V1 where the
plan document format was/is fragile.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Try
this for me: create a new untitled document, open the NGC catalogue and add all
7000+ objects to the plan. Save it. See if that document does the same "10
second" open/close thing.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Paul
R.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>My next step is to completely remove AP
from the 64-bit system, and reinstall from scratch. If the issue goes
away, I will start adding my “live” data elements one at a time to see if any
are the culprit.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>John</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> RPEHLM
[mailto:<a href="mailto:robin@lauryssen-mitchell.com" target="_blank">robin@lauryssen-mitchell.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 29, 2010 12:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> AstroPlanner Beta Testers<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [APBeta] Slow open/close times in Win 7 64-bit</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>I'm not seeing slow open/close times on my
Win7Ultimate 64bit system. What sort of times are you seeing?<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Robin<br>
<br>
On 29/08/2010 18:02, John Switzer wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Paul,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>I would like to offer my services when you
wish address the slow plan open/close times in Windows 7 64-bit. I have
both the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Windows 7 (Home Premium) on separate
computers that are located in the same room. I have over 40 years of
computer experience that might be of some help in the debug process. Just
let me know when and how I can be of service.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Sincerely,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>John Switzer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>FWIW, the slow open/close times are not a
problem on my Win 7 32-bit system.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span
style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>_______________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span
style='color:black'>APBeta mailing list</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span
style='color:black'><a href="mailto:APBeta@lists.astroplanner.net"
target="_blank">APBeta@lists.astroplanner.net</a></span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span
style='color:black'><a
href="http://lists.astroplanner.net/listinfo.cgi/apbeta-astroplanner.net"
target="_blank">http://lists.astroplanner.net/listinfo.cgi/apbeta-astroplanner.net</a></span><o:p></o:p></pre>
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