[APBeta] APBeta Digest, Vol 6, Issue 6

Craig Starnes cstarnes at jcsautomation.com
Mon Oct 6 14:08:45 PDT 2008 

Put me down for option #2... greyed out  :-)


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>   1. Contextual menus - your opinions (Paul Rodman)
>   2. Re: Contextual menus - your opinions (Robin Lauryssen-Mitchell)
>   3. Re: Contextual menus - your opinions (Greg Paine)
>   4. Re: Contextual menus - your opinions (Paul Rodman)
>   5. Re: Contextual menus - your opinions (Greg Paine)
>   6. Re: Contextual menus - your opinions (Paul Rodman)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:15:48 -0700
> From: Paul Rodman <paul at ilanga.com>
> Subject: [APBeta] Contextual menus - your opinions
> To: AstroPlanner Beta Testers <apbeta at lists.astroplanner.net>
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> Folks,
> 
> Currently, contextual (right-click) menus contain only items that are  
> (effectively) enabled. Hence, for example, if a menu item is only  
> valid if something is selected in the underlying list, then it will  
> only appear if a selection has been made.
> 
> The other option is always to have the menu item included, but disable  
> it ("grey it out") if it's not relevant. This would seem to be more in  
> line with "muscle memory" and approved GUI behaviour. This is also how  
> the main menus function.
> 
> There are fors and againsts either way. Your feelings on this?
> 
> Paul R.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:53:08 +0200
> From: "Robin Lauryssen-Mitchell" <robin at lauryssen-mitchell.com>
> Subject: Re: [APBeta] Contextual menus - your opinions
> To: "'AstroPlanner Beta Testers'" <apbeta at lists.astroplanner.net>
> Message-ID: <000801c927dc$65b63c60$9e00a8c0 at Kudu>
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> Hi Paul,
> 
> I'd rather have the second option; item always included but greyed out if
> not active.
> 
> Robin
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net [mailto:apbeta-
>> bounces at lists.astroplanner.net] On Behalf Of Paul Rodman
>> Sent: 06 October 2008 19:16
>> To: AstroPlanner Beta Testers
>> Subject: [APBeta] Contextual menus - your opinions
>> 
>> Folks,
>> 
>> Currently, contextual (right-click) menus contain only items that are
>> (effectively) enabled. Hence, for example, if a menu item is only
>> valid if something is selected in the underlying list, then it will
>> only appear if a selection has been made.
>> 
>> The other option is always to have the menu item included, but disable
>> it ("grey it out") if it's not relevant. This would seem to be more in
>> line with "muscle memory" and approved GUI behaviour. This is also how
>> the main menus function.
>> 
>> There are fors and againsts either way. Your feelings on this?
>> 
>> Paul R.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> APBeta mailing list
>> APBeta at lists.astroplanner.net
>> http://lists.astroplanner.net/listinfo.cgi/apbeta-astroplanner.net
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> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:04:55 -0700
> From: "Greg Paine" <greg at gregpaine.com>
> Subject: Re: [APBeta] Contextual menus - your opinions
> To: "'AstroPlanner Beta Testers'" <apbeta at lists.astroplanner.net>
> Message-ID: <014101c927de$0b861790$229246b0$@com>
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> 
> I think it depends on how long the contextual lists become. Can you turn
> them on so we can have a look?
> 
> Greg
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net
> [mailto:apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net] On Behalf Of Robin
> Lauryssen-Mitchell
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 10:53 AM
> To: 'AstroPlanner Beta Testers'
> Subject: Re: [APBeta] Contextual menus - your opinions
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> I'd rather have the second option; item always included but greyed out if
> not active.
> 
> Robin
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net [mailto:apbeta-
>> bounces at lists.astroplanner.net] On Behalf Of Paul Rodman
>> Sent: 06 October 2008 19:16
>> To: AstroPlanner Beta Testers
>> Subject: [APBeta] Contextual menus - your opinions
>> 
>> Folks,
>> 
>> Currently, contextual (right-click) menus contain only items that are
>> (effectively) enabled. Hence, for example, if a menu item is only
>> valid if something is selected in the underlying list, then it will
>> only appear if a selection has been made.
>> 
>> The other option is always to have the menu item included, but disable
>> it ("grey it out") if it's not relevant. This would seem to be more in
>> line with "muscle memory" and approved GUI behaviour. This is also how
>> the main menus function.
>> 
>> There are fors and againsts either way. Your feelings on this?
>> 
>> Paul R.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> APBeta at lists.astroplanner.net
>> http://lists.astroplanner.net/listinfo.cgi/apbeta-astroplanner.net
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:24:28 -0700
> From: Paul Rodman <paul at ilanga.com>
> Subject: Re: [APBeta] Contextual menus - your opinions
> To: AstroPlanner Beta Testers <apbeta at lists.astroplanner.net>
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> 
> On Oct 6, 2008, at 11:04 AM, Greg Paine wrote:
> 
>> I think it depends on how long the contextual lists become. Can you  
>> turn
>> them on so we can have a look?
> 
> Well, it's going to take some work, but I'm in the "greyed out" camp.
> 
> Paul R.
> 
>>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net
>> [mailto:apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net] On Behalf Of Robin
>> Lauryssen-Mitchell
>> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 10:53 AM
>> To: 'AstroPlanner Beta Testers'
>> Subject: Re: [APBeta] Contextual menus - your opinions
>>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> I'd rather have the second option; item always included but greyed  
>> out if
>> not active.
>>
>> Robin
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net [mailto:apbeta-
>>> bounces at lists.astroplanner.net] On Behalf Of Paul Rodman
>>> Sent: 06 October 2008 19:16
>>> To: AstroPlanner Beta Testers
>>> Subject: [APBeta] Contextual menus - your opinions
>>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> Currently, contextual (right-click) menus contain only items that are
>>> (effectively) enabled. Hence, for example, if a menu item is only
>>> valid if something is selected in the underlying list, then it will
>>> only appear if a selection has been made.
>>>
>>> The other option is always to have the menu item included, but  
>>> disable
>>> it ("grey it out") if it's not relevant. This would seem to be more  
>>> in
>>> line with "muscle memory" and approved GUI behaviour. This is also  
>>> how
>>> the main menus function.
>>>
>>> There are fors and againsts either way. Your feelings on this?
>>>
>>> Paul R.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> APBeta mailing list
>>> APBeta at lists.astroplanner.net
>>> http://lists.astroplanner.net/listinfo.cgi/apbeta-astroplanner.net
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:35:16 -0700
> From: "Greg Paine" <greg at gregpaine.com>
> Subject: Re: [APBeta] Contextual menus - your opinions
> To: "'AstroPlanner Beta Testers'" <apbeta at lists.astroplanner.net>
> Message-ID: <014801c927e2$4781a260$d684e720$@com>
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> 
> OK, I was hoping it was a flip of a switch to activate it.
> 
> Greg
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net
> [mailto:apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net] On Behalf Of Paul Rodman
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:24 AM
> To: AstroPlanner Beta Testers
> Subject: Re: [APBeta] Contextual menus - your opinions
> 
> 
> On Oct 6, 2008, at 11:04 AM, Greg Paine wrote:
> 
>> I think it depends on how long the contextual lists become. Can you  
>> turn
>> them on so we can have a look?
> 
> Well, it's going to take some work, but I'm in the "greyed out" camp.
> 
> Paul R.
> 
>>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net
>> [mailto:apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net] On Behalf Of Robin
>> Lauryssen-Mitchell
>> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 10:53 AM
>> To: 'AstroPlanner Beta Testers'
>> Subject: Re: [APBeta] Contextual menus - your opinions
>>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> I'd rather have the second option; item always included but greyed  
>> out if
>> not active.
>>
>> Robin
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net [mailto:apbeta-
>>> bounces at lists.astroplanner.net] On Behalf Of Paul Rodman
>>> Sent: 06 October 2008 19:16
>>> To: AstroPlanner Beta Testers
>>> Subject: [APBeta] Contextual menus - your opinions
>>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> Currently, contextual (right-click) menus contain only items that are
>>> (effectively) enabled. Hence, for example, if a menu item is only
>>> valid if something is selected in the underlying list, then it will
>>> only appear if a selection has been made.
>>>
>>> The other option is always to have the menu item included, but  
>>> disable
>>> it ("grey it out") if it's not relevant. This would seem to be more  
>>> in
>>> line with "muscle memory" and approved GUI behaviour. This is also  
>>> how
>>> the main menus function.
>>>
>>> There are fors and againsts either way. Your feelings on this?
>>>
>>> Paul R.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> APBeta mailing list
>>> APBeta at lists.astroplanner.net
>>> http://lists.astroplanner.net/listinfo.cgi/apbeta-astroplanner.net
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:58:19 -0700
> From: Paul Rodman <paul at ilanga.com>
> Subject: Re: [APBeta] Contextual menus - your opinions
> To: AstroPlanner Beta Testers <apbeta at lists.astroplanner.net>
> Message-ID: <68BCF0DD-52D7-4647-87F2-739ADCB26F38 at ilanga.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
> 
> No, but it might be a flip of the switch to turn it off again :^)
> 
> Paul R.
> 
> On Oct 6, 2008, at 11:35 AM, Greg Paine wrote:
> 
>> OK, I was hoping it was a flip of a switch to activate it.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net
>> [mailto:apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net] On Behalf Of Paul  
>> Rodman
>> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:24 AM
>> To: AstroPlanner Beta Testers
>> Subject: Re: [APBeta] Contextual menus - your opinions
>>
>>
>> On Oct 6, 2008, at 11:04 AM, Greg Paine wrote:
>>
>>> I think it depends on how long the contextual lists become. Can you
>>> turn
>>> them on so we can have a look?
>>
>> Well, it's going to take some work, but I'm in the "greyed out" camp.
>>
>> Paul R.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net
>>> [mailto:apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net] On Behalf Of Robin
>>> Lauryssen-Mitchell
>>> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 10:53 AM
>>> To: 'AstroPlanner Beta Testers'
>>> Subject: Re: [APBeta] Contextual menus - your opinions
>>>
>>> Hi Paul,
>>>
>>> I'd rather have the second option; item always included but greyed
>>> out if
>>> not active.
>>>
>>> Robin
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: apbeta-bounces at lists.astroplanner.net [mailto:apbeta-
>>>> bounces at lists.astroplanner.net] On Behalf Of Paul Rodman
>>>> Sent: 06 October 2008 19:16
>>>> To: AstroPlanner Beta Testers
>>>> Subject: [APBeta] Contextual menus - your opinions
>>>>
>>>> Folks,
>>>>
>>>> Currently, contextual (right-click) menus contain only items that  
>>>> are
>>>> (effectively) enabled. Hence, for example, if a menu item is only
>>>> valid if something is selected in the underlying list, then it will
>>>> only appear if a selection has been made.
>>>>
>>>> The other option is always to have the menu item included, but
>>>> disable
>>>> it ("grey it out") if it's not relevant. This would seem to be more
>>>> in
>>>> line with "muscle memory" and approved GUI behaviour. This is also
>>>> how
>>>> the main menus function.
>>>>
>>>> There are fors and againsts either way. Your feelings on this?
>>>>
>>>> Paul R.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> APBeta mailing list
>>>> APBeta at lists.astroplanner.net
>>>> http://lists.astroplanner.net/listinfo.cgi/apbeta-astroplanner.net
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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